Prof. Daulat Ram Chaudhry, a well know thinker on contemporary issues and a staunch nationalist is a well read octogenarian and lives at Rohtak. He is credited with start of 'Peeng' a weekly tabloid and stirred a storm in journalistic history of Haryana that was considered a backyard until recently in history of any media venture in this hinterland of Delhi. He is a good teacher and has a flare for writing on the burning topics of the day, particularly that disturb the social peace and harmony. He a severe critic of the old age Khaap system of the Jats and endeavours to uproot the thinking of 'honour killing' in the name of clan or family honor protection, which according to him is just backward way of living in a progressive society. His interest in socializing on Face Book is recent through which he mobilizes public opinion on various hot topics, which become topical and relevant to our destiny. He is also instrumental in creation of Haryana Insaaf Society, a voluntary organisation and is currently strengthening its formation and finances from Rohtak. His views on certain issues are thought provoking attracted attention of FB friends to respond in adequate numbers: Here are excerpts from his recent post and responses-
Daulat Ram Chaudhry
Daulat Ram Chaudhry
A
series of mega scams in the recent past. Is it a sudden development or a
culmination of a process that started long back? A highly perceptive
political figure of India throws enough light on this.
Dr.B.R. Ambedkar in his talk “Ranade, Gandhi and Jinnah” delivered at Puna(now Pune) on January 18, 1843, inter alia, observed:
“ For the first time in our country money is taking the field of an
organized power…politics has become a kind of sewage system intolerably unsavory and insanitary. To become a politician is like going to work
in the drain.”
It was almost seven decades ago that the process of
political decay was noticed by Dr. Ambedkar. Now politician instead of
working in a drain is found slogging in a coal pit, covered with deep
soot from toe to top, with his eyes so glazed that he cannot distinguish
between fair or foul, right and wrong, good or bad. He bids for
anything that smears more of soot on his body.
This leads to the
conclusion that the system has become so rotten that mere tinkering
would not do.it needs major operation. What is needed is not change of
regime but systemic change.
What should be done to achieve this? I
request Face Book friends to confront this question. What can ordinary
mortals like us do in this direction? Comments from friends should be
brief, concise and to the point. This serious issue needs to be debated
in all seriousness. I hope friends would not disappoint me.
Ranbir Singh Sir, It should be 1943 instead of 1843. Ambedkar was not born then. He was born on 14 April 1891, Sir
Daulat Ram Chaudhry Yes it is misprint. Sorry. It is 1943 and not 1843
Ranbir Singh Dear
Sir, name a known system to humankind that is perfect and that in your
view should be brought to India. In my view Indian 'system' is OK but
the people's mind is corrupt. You cannot
suddenly change it. The transformation is spontaneous. Forget about
French, Russian or Chinese type of bloddy revolutions. Tell my which
society in the world is ideal for India.......None, in fact. Then why
always condemn the system and approve of people. I carried on an
experiment for a year and asked everyone that came into contact to
questions: (i) is he a bad persons; (ii) did he do any wrong today. None
accepted any of the queries and looked staringly at my face. So
wherefrom all the bad people that we visualize or have hallucinations
about came from. After people are looting others, making money,
acquiring property, know how to hide it and do many activities all the
say long in a cunning mannenr. People do these tasks intelligently,
therefore there is hardly a question arises for bring a change in
system. It is serving the other well except 'US'. If we can only leave
this grudge and do some creative work instead of obsessively talking all
the time for change in the system, we will stop our creativity. I would
suggest to lean more on Buddha's teaching that to find a cure of social
malice. No one is bad. Our attitude is defective.
Daulat Ram Chaudhry Yes,
attitude is the basic thing. Attitude, value system, ethical framework
and so on. However, one's mental make up is also formed by the system
around him though one is not system's
slave.No system is perfect but man's endeavour to improve the system is
a continual process. This human drive is responsible for man's journey
from cave to modern jet age. Effort to improve the system must continue.
This requires improving mankind's ethhical frame work and value system.
It is a dialectical process. Both the things should continue
simultaneously.
Ranbir Singh Sir,
you are aware that there is lot of difference between practice and
theory. When we read so many good thoughts from good books carefully
selected and compiled at home, we sub-consciously search for
opportunities to apply them in daily life. But if we don't get enough or
even one, we turn pessimistic. Rhetoric about change of/in (?) system
is a pessimistic approach in my view. Who will Change? When will it get
changed? How will it change? Nobody is sure of that. Therefore, the
best way is to post this rhetorical on the Face Book in search of
inheritance for its endorsement. Politics and usual practical life have
been poles apart and can never meet each other for the betterment.
Politics, that governs the system will never change. It has never
changed irrespective of the new entrants in space and time. It is the
technology that has altered human life with great thought of philosophy
behind it. The great Popperine (Ref.- Karl Popper) thinking goes well
with it and in recent times also of DD Kosambi and Mahatma Gandhi.
Gandhi knew best how to use of the wile in politicians. One of us cannot
be a Gandhi for bringing political change or rather transformation
through which systemic change can be affected. However, some of my
queries remain unanswered, Sir e.g. the type of system that you wish to
introduce. Any examples?
Anitha Rajesh :Yes Sir, we cant ban parties and those who can will oppose it with
tooth and nail. Mine was a question regarding the second phase of
democracy. Democracy cannot continue in its
present form. And the existing system cannot be cured by medicines,
surgery is a must. Gandhi ji’s ways succeeded against the British, but
it wouldn’t, if it would have been the Chines
Surender Pal You
have rightly pointed out 'What is needed is not change of regime but
systemic change.' Corruption is not the question of individual's moral
fabric only. This is basically the machinery
generating scams and black money. That machinery or the system has to
be changed to overhaul the scenario and this demands systemic operation
Ranbir Singh None
of the friends, including Chaudhry Sahib, the initiator, have answered
one basic question i.e. which existing system is the best option for
India? We are posting opinions and impressions
in a rhetoric but it needed an answer. I, at least, do not wish further
postings of opinions and impressions. That can save time for others.
Daulat Ram Chaudhry There
are many alternatives tied by mankind so far-Fabian socialism,
socialism of Lohia-Jai Prakash Narain etc. communism, Marxism, free market economy and
so on. Now in my view the experiment of humanist
socialism being practiced in some Lain countries is the best
alternative that has emerged so far-multiparty system through adult
franchise, free press etc.Socialist forces have to compete with their
opponents and establish their superiority. The effort must be a
continual process. There is no cut and dried solution. The present
system as it prevails in our country has caused misery for the mass of
the people. It must be overthrown.
Anitha Rajesh why cant we design a system of our own, considering the uniqueness of our society ? i think its better..
Ranbir Singh A
system designed by self always works better. I am against import of a
system that evolved in alien lands. I wonder why don't Indians read the
debates of the Constituent Assembly rather than reading the text of
Indian Constitution and discarding it immediately to understand the
issue in real context. It is this Constitution that has given us the
present system and all the malice. It is just a legal copy, in writing,
of the British system of governance. Therefore, we are still slaves of
the British. The Indian system never evolved and modernized itself from
the times of prevalence of the system of Monarchy or Kingship that
thrived on the power of the feudal lords. Therefore, time is ripe to
take a fresh look for drastic change at the history of India and its
modern Constitution keeping in view the moral lessons from the debates
held in the Constitution Assembly. It can be safely predicted that we
can never come out with better and successful solutions that the ones
suggested during the debates held in the Constituent Assembly: that is,
convergence of wisdom of for good governance and that meant reverting to
parliamentary debates. We don't see good and sanely conducted
Parliamentary debates nowadays nor the democratic institutions as
grassroots level in parliamentary form of Govt. They are all there but
in weakened form. Therefore, the selfish nature of the 'slaves' (that we
are) or the citizens of India has to be controlled by DANDA or stick
and fear of punishment. But who will punish whom? Only the weak and poor
people suffer at the hands of the powerful. Who are the powerful? The
Netas, of course, which reap a good harvest of corruption every time
they are elected to the Indian Parliament! Therefore, we must send best
persons to the Parliament of India. And who will determine who is a best
person? Money? It is the money and wine that determines the best person
during the electioneering. The electoral initiated a mean process in
which only corrupt persons get elected by all the Indian 'cattle class'
society and we see a sudden surge in the volume of corruption in the
days to come. Corruption paves the way for them in reaching the
Parliament. Therefore, unless we have small grassroots level democratic
institutions, powerful enough, it is impossible for Indians to even
consider a change for the betterment. Marxism or Socialism are all
useless for us unless we change our attitudes and mindset. Considering
the present scenario and trends, the next batch in the next 30 years
that will take over Parliament will be affluent and wealthy people that
currently fund the meanest people now and from them scientists and
technocrats will take over the reins of government in India, later. That
may take another 100 years.
Dr.B.R. Ambedkar in his talk “Ranade, Gandhi and Jinnah” delivered at Puna(now Pune) on January 18, 1843, inter alia, observed:
“ For the first time in our country money is taking the field of an organized power…politics has become a kind of sewage system intolerably unsavory and insanitary. To become a politician is like going to work in the drain.”
It was almost seven decades ago that the process of political decay was noticed by Dr. Ambedkar. Now politician instead of working in a drain is found slogging in a coal pit, covered with deep soot from toe to top, with his eyes so glazed that he cannot distinguish between fair or foul, right and wrong, good or bad. He bids for anything that smears more of soot on his body.
This leads to the conclusion that the system has become so rotten that mere tinkering would not do.it needs major operation. What is needed is not change of regime but systemic change.
What should be done to achieve this? I request Face Book friends to confront this question. What can ordinary mortals like us do in this direction? Comments from friends should be brief, concise and to the point. This serious issue needs to be debated in all seriousness. I hope friends would not disappoint me.
Ranbir Singh Dear
Sir, name a known system to humankind that is perfect and that in your
view should be brought to India. In my view Indian 'system' is OK but
the people's mind is corrupt. You cannot
suddenly change it. The transformation is spontaneous. Forget about
French, Russian or Chinese type of bloddy revolutions. Tell my which
society in the world is ideal for India.......None, in fact. Then why
always condemn the system and approve of people. I carried on an
experiment for a year and asked everyone that came into contact to
questions: (i) is he a bad persons; (ii) did he do any wrong today. None
accepted any of the queries and looked staringly at my face. So
wherefrom all the bad people that we visualize or have hallucinations
about came from. After people are looting others, making money,
acquiring property, know how to hide it and do many activities all the
say long in a cunning mannenr. People do these tasks intelligently,
therefore there is hardly a question arises for bring a change in
system. It is serving the other well except 'US'. If we can only leave
this grudge and do some creative work instead of obsessively talking all
the time for change in the system, we will stop our creativity. I would
suggest to lean more on Buddha's teaching that to find a cure of social
malice. No one is bad. Our attitude is defective.
Daulat Ram Chaudhry Yes,
attitude is the basic thing. Attitude, value system, ethical framework
and so on. However, one's mental make up is also formed by the system
around him though one is not system's
slave.No system is perfect but man's endeavour to improve the system is
a continual process. This human drive is responsible for man's journey
from cave to modern jet age. Effort to improve the system must continue.
This requires improving mankind's ethhical frame work and value system.
It is a dialectical process. Both the things should continue
simultaneously.
Ranbir Singh Sir,
you are aware that there is lot of difference between practice and
theory. When we read so many good thoughts from good books carefully
selected and compiled at home, we sub-consciously search for
opportunities to apply them in daily life. But if we don't get enough or
even one, we turn pessimistic. Rhetoric about change of/in (?) system
is a pessimistic approach in my view. Who will Change? When will it get
changed? How will it change? Nobody is sure of that. Therefore, the
best way is to post this rhetorical on the Face Book in search of
inheritance for its endorsement. Politics and usual practical life have
been poles apart and can never meet each other for the betterment.
Politics, that governs the system will never change. It has never
changed irrespective of the new entrants in space and time. It is the
technology that has altered human life with great thought of philosophy
behind it. The great Popperine (Ref.- Karl Popper) thinking goes well
with it and in recent times also of DD Kosambi and Mahatma Gandhi.
Gandhi knew best how to use of the wile in politicians. One of us cannot
be a Gandhi for bringing political change or rather transformation
through which systemic change can be affected. However, some of my
queries remain unanswered, Sir e.g. the type of system that you wish to
introduce. Any examples?
Anitha Rajesh :Yes Sir, we cant ban parties and those who can will oppose it with tooth and nail. Mine was a question regarding the second phase of democracy. Democracy cannot continue in its present form. And the existing system cannot be cured by medicines, surgery is a must. Gandhi ji’s ways succeeded against the British, but it wouldn’t, if it would have been the Chines
Surender Pal You
have rightly pointed out 'What is needed is not change of regime but
systemic change.' Corruption is not the question of individual's moral
fabric only. This is basically the machinery
generating scams and black money. That machinery or the system has to
be changed to overhaul the scenario and this demands systemic operation
Anitha Rajesh :Yes Sir, we cant ban parties and those who can will oppose it with tooth and nail. Mine was a question regarding the second phase of democracy. Democracy cannot continue in its present form. And the existing system cannot be cured by medicines, surgery is a must. Gandhi ji’s ways succeeded against the British, but it wouldn’t, if it would have been the Chines
Ranbir Singh None
of the friends, including Chaudhry Sahib, the initiator, have answered
one basic question i.e. which existing system is the best option for
India? We are posting opinions and impressions
in a rhetoric but it needed an answer. I, at least, do not wish further
postings of opinions and impressions. That can save time for others.
Daulat Ram Chaudhry There
are many alternatives tied by mankind so far-Fabian socialism,
socialism of Lohia-Jai Prakash Narain etc. communism, Marxism, free market economy and
so on. Now in my view the experiment of humanist
socialism being practiced in some Lain countries is the best
alternative that has emerged so far-multiparty system through adult
franchise, free press etc.Socialist forces have to compete with their
opponents and establish their superiority. The effort must be a
continual process. There is no cut and dried solution. The present
system as it prevails in our country has caused misery for the mass of
the people. It must be overthrown.
Anitha Rajesh why cant we design a system of our own, considering the uniqueness of our society ? i think its better..
Ranbir Singh A
system designed by self always works better. I am against import of a
system that evolved in alien lands. I wonder why don't Indians read the
debates of the Constituent Assembly rather than reading the text of
Indian Constitution and discarding it immediately to understand the
issue in real context. It is this Constitution that has given us the
present system and all the malice. It is just a legal copy, in writing,
of the British system of governance. Therefore, we are still slaves of
the British. The Indian system never evolved and modernized itself from
the times of prevalence of the system of Monarchy or Kingship that
thrived on the power of the feudal lords. Therefore, time is ripe to
take a fresh look for drastic change at the history of India and its
modern Constitution keeping in view the moral lessons from the debates
held in the Constitution Assembly. It can be safely predicted that we
can never come out with better and successful solutions that the ones
suggested during the debates held in the Constituent Assembly: that is,
convergence of wisdom of for good governance and that meant reverting to
parliamentary debates. We don't see good and sanely conducted
Parliamentary debates nowadays nor the democratic institutions as
grassroots level in parliamentary form of Govt. They are all there but
in weakened form. Therefore, the selfish nature of the 'slaves' (that we
are) or the citizens of India has to be controlled by DANDA or stick
and fear of punishment. But who will punish whom? Only the weak and poor
people suffer at the hands of the powerful. Who are the powerful? The
Netas, of course, which reap a good harvest of corruption every time
they are elected to the Indian Parliament! Therefore, we must send best
persons to the Parliament of India. And who will determine who is a best
person? Money? It is the money and wine that determines the best person
during the electioneering. The electoral initiated a mean process in
which only corrupt persons get elected by all the Indian 'cattle class'
society and we see a sudden surge in the volume of corruption in the
days to come. Corruption paves the way for them in reaching the
Parliament. Therefore, unless we have small grassroots level democratic
institutions, powerful enough, it is impossible for Indians to even
consider a change for the betterment. Marxism or Socialism are all
useless for us unless we change our attitudes and mindset. Considering
the present scenario and trends, the next batch in the next 30 years
that will take over Parliament will be affluent and wealthy people that
currently fund the meanest people now and from them scientists and
technocrats will take over the reins of government in India, later. That
may take another 100 years.
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